Electowiki talk:Redirect

Redirect policy

User:BetterVotingAdvocacy, I'm a little alarmed at how quickly you're adding redirects to Electowiki. Many of them seem difficult to defend (e.g. I'm pretty skeptical about "CL"). Could you avoid adding initialisms that aren't somehow described in the prose of the text of the redirect target? -- RobLa (talk) 00:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I can reduce the number of redirects I add, and would also invite you to be more vocal when you find a redirect to be a bit odd. I think CL was a pretty reasonable redirect though, given that Wikipedia's article on the Condorcet loser criterion uses the initialism "CLC" for it, and several hits on Google showed academic articles abbreviating Condorcet loser as CL. BetterVotingAdvocacy (talk) 07:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I went through the WP policy on redirects, and I wasn't able to figure out exactly what you're taking issue with, other than the initialisms thing. For the sake of clarity, and to avoid problems down the road, can you give me some more examples or a general outline of what redirects I've made that you disagree with? Some of the initialism redirects I've made that may not be too obvious just by looking at them, I added because I've seen discussions in other forums where those initialisms were used i.e. SSQ is used on forum.electionscience.org, as can be seen in [[1]]. BetterVotingAdvocacy (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Redirects to Wikipedia

User:Psephomancy, as I recall, you had configured redirects to immediately redirect to Wikipedia a while back. I see that you're setting up some new redirects (e.g. how JSTOR goes immediately to wikipedia:JSTOR). I really like keeping the articles (and the corpus as a whole) available on Electowiki aligned with the naming and policies of English Wikipedia (EnWiki), but I'm not so sure I like making the line between Electowiki and EnWiki that blurry. Do we have a configuration setting we can tweak, or is that something I need to ask the Miraheze folks? The reason why I ask is because I think we should figure out a policy for when we use EnWiki links in Electowiki #REDIRECTs. -- RobLa (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a configuration setting, but the ones I just made are just built into citation templates, I didn't want there to be red links in reference lists. They aren't things that we should ever have articles on. — Psephomancy (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps we should create an "Offsite:" namespace, which is basically were we put the stub articles like the Enwiki article that I just created. We can come up with policies regarding the articles in the "Offsite:" namespace, such as "no more than N characters", where "N" is a reasonably small number (e.g. 1000). Anything in the "Offsite:" namespace is a light annotation before sending the reader off to another site (be that Wikipedia, or C4ES, or some other site. The main namespace can redirect to the "Offsite:" page, and then the "Offsite:" page can be a clear link to another website. Thoughts? -- RobLa (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC):

But that wouldn't work for the redirects I just created, which would need to be pre-pended by "Offsite:"? Ideally we would just use interwiki redirects for things like that, but they would have one of those "you are being redirected offsite in x seconds" messages before actually going there.

However, for other things, like Nanson's method, it's good to keep all the content on Wikipedia, but still have the method appear in our category hierarchy, so it's just a stub with categories that links to WP. — Psephomancy (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

After discovering the old state of Duverger's law, I've become convinced that we need a new namespace for pointers to offsite content. The problem was that searching for "Duverger's law" in the search box on Electowiki and hiting "enter" caused the reader to get immediately transported to wikipedia:Duverger's law. As of right now, you can see the same effect by typing "JSTOR" in the search box and hitting "enter".

The way that I'd like to use a new offsite namespace is very similarly to the new CiteSeerX pointer. CiteSeerX points to Electowiki:CiteSeerX, which provides a brief pointer to wikipedia:CiteSeerX. User:Psephomancy, you're probably right that in the ideal case, we'd have one of those "you are being redirected offsite in x seconds" interstitials, but I think we can make a Template:Offsite that makes it very clear how to manually advance to Wikipedia. Regardless, I appreciate that CiteSeerX doesn't show up in the Special:AllPages when redirects are excluded, and that it doesn't show up in our article count. It's possible tha "Disambiguation:" should be another namespace, but we don't need to decide that yet.

For cleaning up redlinks, I would rather just fix the articles to link to Wikipedia directly (when appropriate), rather than link to Wikipedia via redirect. Barring objections in the next couple of days, I'll set up that "Offsite:" namespace -- RobLa (talk) 04:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)